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Renowned Spartan · Jul 30, 2012, 01:54 PM // 13:54

I'd like to call this the "last" real mAT because the release of GW2 is coming out.

Anyone think any old guilds will make a run at coming back for it? Or will it be the same old waffle of guilds with everyone getting a trim?

Should ANET cancel mAT's after this?

ruk1a · Jul 30, 2012, 03:26 PM // 15:26

I hope so, and no. GW1 will be supported well after GW2 release so why should they stop mat's? I doubt anyone would play them anymore but still.

Reverend Dr · Jul 30, 2012, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by ruk1a

GW1 will be supported well after GW2 release

Support is more than just leaving the servers on.

Aug 28, the release date of GW2, will mark the 3 year anniversary of Anet announcing that they have already made a new Hall of Heroes map that is actually tailored to the rotating win conditions and that it just needed to be tested.

Missing HB · Jul 30, 2012, 04:53 PM // 16:53

What is said above..I don't like acting like " i knew it , i told so" , but everything that a few players said since (let's say) 2009 has happened..
Inactivity, Cheaters( whether it's bots or syncers), repetitiveness, non fun, unfair matchs,...

If we can believe that there will be a few guilds coming exclusively for MAT's on a short term, it won't happen on long and it will mainly consist on a bunch of players syncing to get champion points or trims( which can easily be done when there is no real player and especially when it's not about consecutive wins; refer to hero battles )

Renowned Spartan · Jul 30, 2012, 04:56 PM // 16:56

Instinct tells me this month's mAT may be considerably harder to get a trim..given the urgency of things with the release of the game.

It's not going to happen, but if this were the last mAT it would be fun to have the trims be locked as they are afterwards.

doomfodder · Jul 30, 2012, 07:16 PM // 19:16

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Originally Posted by Renowned Spartan

Anyone think any old guilds will make a run at coming back for it? Or will it be the same old waffle of guilds with everyone getting a trim? Should ANET cancel mAT's after this?

According to the Guildwars website ladder as of today (7/30/12), there are only 334 guilds competing in GvG. IF you assume each of those guilds has ONLY 8 people (that also don't guest for other guilds) then that means there's less than 2700 total players in GvG today. The real number is probably close to 1/2 of that when you factor in henchies & guesting...

I hope ANET doesn't cancel MAT after GW2 release & that old guilds DON'T come back. It will give the new guilds (the rich ones that can afford to buy sigils for around 100k at todays prices from players when you can actually find them) a CHANCE at a trim.

ANET should stop concerning themselves with farmers (of any kind - including trim farmers). ALL actions ANET has taken to curb/control "farming" has had more negative impact (punishing the player base) than positive impact (economy stabilization) anyway...

superraptors · Jul 30, 2012, 10:05 PM // 22:05

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Originally Posted by doomfodder

According to the Guildwars website ladder as of today (7/30/12), there are only 334 guilds competing in GvG. IF you assume each of those guilds has ONLY 8 people (that also don't guest for other guilds) then that means there's less than 2700 total players in GvG today. The real number is probably close to 1/2 of that when you factor in henchies & guesting...

I hope ANET doesn't cancel MAT after GW2 release & that old guilds DON'T come back. It will give the new guilds (the rich ones that can afford to buy sigils for around 100k at todays prices from players when you can actually find them) a CHANCE at a trim.

ANET should stop concerning themselves with farmers (of any kind - including trim farmers). ALL actions ANET has taken to curb/control "farming" has had more negative impact (punishing the player base) than positive impact (economy stabilization) anyway...

1300 people in gvg? no not really, the number is closer to 200 and less.

doomfodder · Jul 30, 2012, 11:38 PM // 23:38

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Originally Posted by superraptors

1300 people in gvg? no not really, the number is closer to 200 and less.

hmm... only 200 GvG players?... could be right I spose...

I'm not in one of those low ranked guilds (so we generally have to wait the 10 min minimum for a match - btw TY ANET for punishing low ranked guilds) & I do frequently recognize the opponents IGN when we do get matches, still there's MANY I don't recognize. I guess that could be same account on a difffernt toon though or re-rolling PVP toons... dunno

so anyway... if top 500 guilds get an animated /guild emote... and theres only 334 active guilds... then each of the GvG guild members have an animated /guild emote right?

Therefor only 200 people have the animated guild emote??? That seems low, but I can't think of any way to verify/test...

Renowned Spartan · Jul 31, 2012, 12:11 AM // 00:11

We wait quite some time for matches too on ZeAL. I guess GvG, like all other PvP formats, is slowly dying a quiet death. We are hoping to enter this monthly and compete for a trim however.

doomfodder · Jul 31, 2012, 05:15 AM // 05:15

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Originally Posted by Renowned Spartan

We wait quite some time for matches too on ZeAL. I guess GvG, like all other PvP formats, is slowly dying a quiet death. We are hoping to enter this monthly and compete for a trim however.

might be right about that 200 ppl... my guild re-rolled & after 1st win we ranked 81.....

Winner · Jul 31, 2012, 07:39 AM // 07:39

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

What is said above..I don't like acting like " i knew it , i told so" , but everything that a few players said since (let's say) 2009 has happened..
Inactivity, Cheaters( whether it's bots or syncers), repetitiveness, non fun, unfair matchs,...

Excuse me, that is just your personal opinion. Repetitive? Non Fun? I absolutely disagree, I'm having tons of fun in GW. HA, GvG, Codex, it's all good. Codex is inactive quite often that is true. But GvG and HA are very active these days. You should inform yourself on the current situation before posting here. Again, there are only few cheaters in high-end PvP these days. Mostly monks with that thing to see what enemies are using, and others with rupt bots. But again, there aren't that many of them so the game is still more than enjoyable. Yesterday for example, I played HA since 5 pm euro time until 5 am and we barely got any restarts. The game is not inactive, and I find it to be really fun. Unfair matches? Welcome to competitive PvP. You are supposed to learn to compete with everyone, not instantly give up if enemy is "stronger" than you. A real, good player who loves the game will adjust to any situation and make the most out of it.

Back on the topic: I don't think that any old guilds/players will come back but most of the current PvP people will prolly participate. I guess it should be a bit more active than previous MATs this year. I don't know that much since I retired from serious GvG a while ago.

Renowned Spartan · Jul 31, 2012, 12:35 PM // 12:35

Realistically this is the last mAT of the game. I don't see much along the lines of interest coming from any guilds once GW2 is released. GW1 will take it's course and become an inferior player base as do all old and aging games.

This last mAT poses a challenge for myself. We tried to AT last night and couldn't get a single guild to sign up with us in that tournament. This is the third or fourth time this happened which renders QP harder to get than usual. I foresee this being a big problem.

Also, if people do get the required 20 QP's to enter the mAT, I suspect everybody and their brother will try to get in for the last trim this game will most likelyl hand out. There is no indication that players will keep playing this game in any format, pve or pvp, once GW2 is released. GW2's PvP influence won't be great but most GW1 players will be enveloped by the game to have too much going on here.

tealspikes · Jul 31, 2012, 04:24 PM // 16:24

July was the last MAT. Everyone who bought GW2 will be participating in it's release instead of playing the August MAT since they are both on the same day.

Just this once Anet should reschedule the MAT so that it is the Saturday before GW2 launch and not require any qualifier points to participate. Then GvGers could have an actual "farewell to the format" party.

Sammich · Jul 31, 2012, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by Renowned Spartan

I'd like to call this the "last" real mAT because the release of GW2 is coming out.

Anyone think any old guilds will make a run at coming back for it? Or will it be the same old waffle of guilds with everyone getting a trim?

Should ANET cancel mAT's after this?

Will any old guilds come back? I doubt it. It may be the last mAT, but everything that made them leave *cough* balance *cough* is still there. If I were them, I wouldn't. I'd rather remember GvG as it was before I left, than come back and be disappointed at what it's become now. Besides, with all the skill changes I don't think a guild could come in at this time and win a gold trim after just knowing skills for less than a month.

Should Anet cancel mAT's after this? No. The game will continue to exist after GW2's release, whether people will actually continue to play or not is what'll really make the difference. But either way, whether people participate in GvG after GW2's release is immaterial; the ability to come back and play in mATs should still be there. As ruk1a said, no one will play but they shouldn't be cancelled just because of that. If they started cancelling things because of inactivity, Guild Wars PvP would cease to exist.

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Originally Posted by Winner

Excuse me, that is just your personal opinion. Repetitive? Non Fun? I absolutely disagree, I'm having tons of fun in GW. HA, GvG, Codex, it's all good. Codex is inactive quite often that is true. But GvG and HA are very active these days. You should inform yourself on the current situation before posting here. Again, there are only few cheaters in high-end PvP these days. Mostly monks with that thing to see what enemies are using, and others with rupt bots. But again, there aren't that many of them so the game is still more than enjoyable. Yesterday for example, I played HA since 5 pm euro time until 5 am and we barely got any restarts. The game is not inactive, and I find it to be really fun. Unfair matches? Welcome to competitive PvP. You are supposed to learn to compete with everyone, not instantly give up if enemy is "stronger" than you. A real, good player who loves the game will adjust to any situation and make the most out of it.

You're entitled to your opinion, as is Missing HB. But I suggest you get your facts right before saying that Missing HB doesn't have his. HA and GvG are nowhere near active these days - for example, the HA outpost has only 1 district, and its very rare to see more than two teams forming, if at all. As for GvG, it takes quite a long time just to get a single match, unless your guild rating is low enough that anyone and everyone will face you. As a matter of fact, this game as a whole is inactive. And as for "Unfair matches? Welcome to competitive PvP." on some level, I agree with you. You'll always have better/more experienced players beating less experienced ones. That'll never change, nor should it. But the fact that I can form a team of 8 people that have never played Tombs before in their life, give each of them a ridiculously overpowered skill bar, and roflstomp 75% of the teams that come up against us, ranked or not, is very, very bad. It's one thing to have experience be what makes the difference in teams; its a whole different thing to have balance be the single most dominating factor in every format of PvP.

EDIT: If you think GvG and Tombs are fun the way they are, that's your opinion, and that's fine. But to suggest that both of those things are active is just blatantly wrong.

Renowned Spartan · Jul 31, 2012, 05:09 PM // 17:09

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Originally Posted by Sammich

Will any old guilds come back? I doubt it. It may be the last mAT, but everything that made them leave *cough* balance *cough* is still there. If I were them, I wouldn't. I'd rather remember GvG as it was before I left, than come back and be disappointed at what it's become now. Besides, with all the skill changes I don't think a guild could come in at this time and win a gold trim after just knowing skills for less than a month.

Should Anet cancel mAT's after this? No. The game will continue to exist after GW2's release, whether people will actually continue to play or not is what'll really make the difference. But either way, whether people participate in GvG after GW2's release is immaterial; the ability to come back and play in mATs should still be there. As ruk1a said, no one will play but they shouldn't be cancelled just because of that. If they started cancelling things because of inactivity, Guild Wars PvP would cease to exist.

You're entitled to your opinion, as is Missing HB. But I suggest you get your facts right before saying that Missing HB doesn't have his. HA and GvG are nowhere near active these days - for example, the HA outpost has only 1 district, and its very rare to see more than two teams forming, if at all. As for GvG, it takes quite a long time just to get a single match, unless your guild rating is low enough that anyone and everyone will face you. As a matter of fact, this game as a whole is inactive. And as for "Unfair matches? Welcome to competitive PvP." on some level, I agree with you. You'll always have better/more experienced players beating less experienced ones. That'll never change, nor should it. But the fact that I can form a team of 8 people that have never played Tombs before in their life, give each of them a ridiculously overpowered skill bar, and roflstomp 75% of the teams that come up against us, ranked or not, is very, very bad. It's one thing to have experience be what makes the difference in teams; its a whole different thing to have balance be the single most dominating factor in every format of PvP.

I've been arguing the same point with him in another sub-forum thread entitled "Title vs. Favor". He maintains that HA is active and that 15 runs a night is considered active.

If you want a good laugh, ask him what he thinks about the direction was going in HA. According to Winner, HA was only getting better..lol.

Zaph · Jul 31, 2012, 10:09 PM // 22:09

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Originally Posted by tealspikes

Just this once Anet should reschedule the MAT so that it is the Saturday before GW2 launch and not require any qualifier points to participate.

^This.......

Winner · Aug 01, 2012, 07:35 AM // 07:35

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Originally Posted by Sammich

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You're entitled to your opinion, as is Missing HB. But I suggest you get your facts right before saying that Missing HB doesn't have his. HA and GvG are nowhere near active these days - for example, the HA outpost has only 1 district, and its very rare to see more than two teams forming, if at all. As for GvG, it takes quite a long time just to get a single match, unless your guild rating is low enough that anyone and everyone will face you. As a matter of fact, this game as a whole is inactive. And as for "Unfair matches? Welcome to competitive PvP." on some level, I agree with you. You'll always have better/more experienced players beating less experienced ones. That'll never change, nor should it. But the fact that I can form a team of 8 people that have never played Tombs before in their life, give each of them a ridiculously overpowered skill bar, and roflstomp 75% of the teams that come up against us, ranked or not, is very, very bad. It's one thing to have experience be what makes the difference in teams; its a whole different thing to have balance be the single most dominating factor in every format of PvP.

EDIT: If you think GvG and Tombs are fun the way they are, that's your opinion, and that's fine. But to suggest that both of those things are active is just blatantly wrong.

HA is active. They are 2 districts most of the time. Try getting YOUR facts straight before posting something like that. There are more and more people coming back to HA every day, I wouldnt be surprised if we see even 3 districts this weekend, or at least 2nd district heavily populated.

Renowned Spartan · Aug 01, 2012, 11:58 AM // 11:58

You're delusional. I was in HA last night in a r12+ team during peak Euro times. We took 30 mins to form and after the logistics were set, we waited an hour after zaishen for one match. Beat UW, went directly to halls against Magik.

I have a feeling you're going into HA, looking at all of the little dots on minimap and then making an assertation based on that.

PS: There was one district with probably 50 players at most last night. Not two districts like you claim. Please don't lie to make your point. Your argument is weak enough without you lying about things that aren't true.

Winner · Aug 01, 2012, 12:34 PM // 12:34

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Originally Posted by Renowned Spartan

You're delusional. I was in HA last night in a r12+ team during peak Euro times. We took 30 mins to form and after the logistics were set, we waited an hour after zaishen for one match. Beat UW, went directly to halls against Magik.

I have a feeling you're going into HA, looking at all of the little dots on minimap and then making an assertation based on that.

PS: There was one district with probably 50 players at most last night. Not two districts like you claim. Please don't lie to make your point. Your argument is weak enough without you lying about things that aren't true.

Those people were in halls around 5am euro time.
I wouldnt call that a "peak euro time"
Google euro timezones or something, get more informed.
HA is active.

Sammich · Aug 01, 2012, 01:55 PM // 13:55

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Originally Posted by Winner

Those people were in halls around 5am euro time.
I wouldnt call that a "peak euro time"
Google euro timezones or something, get more informed.
HA is active.

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Originally Posted by Winner

HA is active. They are 2 districts most of the time. Try getting YOUR facts straight before posting something like that. There are more and more people coming back to HA every day, I wouldnt be surprised if we see even 3 districts this weekend, or at least 2nd district heavily populated.

HA is not active; two districts does not make it active. Besides, the second district has very few people in it, if its even there. Compare that to how it used to be: FULL districts, zero waiting for a match, having to beat a team at every single map just to make it to the Hall of Heroes. Now, even if you do get a match, after UW its a skip to the Hall of Heroes. You said it yourself in "Those people were in Halls at 5am Euro time." If HA were active like it used to be, it wouldn't matter if people were in Halls. There wouldn't be any waiting for a non-Halls match. Every once in a while I'll get one or two matches before then, but its nowhere near what could be considered activity. I couldn't tell you the last time I saw Antechamber, or had to sit in Vault.

Anyways, we're derailing the discussion. I agree with tealspikes - having the GW2 release and the August mAT on the same day is a bad idea. Everyone who bought GW2, whether they GvG or not, will more than likeley be playing that instead of GW1, and those that do GvG but also bought GW2 won't be participating in the August mAT.

And getting the required amount of QP's might be a problem, as Renowned Spartan said. I don't think it would be a bad idea for Anet to reduce the required amount just for this mAT, if for no other reason than for once in 2012 we can have a mAT that actually has a good number of teams participating in it. And if a bunch of new teams come out and lose, oh well. At least we'd have an active mAT for once in a very long time.